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Название: ton - исключение из правил чтения? (с info.study.ru)
Отправлено: Info от 13 Февраль 2007, 17:37
Автор: TeaM

ton - закрытый слог, О вроде как должно читаться как "o" (как в box, stop и пр.)
но нет ! [t/\n] в транскрипции ! а почему ? исключение ?


Название: ps
Отправлено: Info от 13 Февраль 2007, 17:37
Автор: TeaM

и еще слово mast - по правилам - одно [ae]. в словаре - другое - [не найду нужный значок :) он похож на "альфу" или а рукописную]


Название: unfortunately, no.
Отправлено: Info от 13 Февраль 2007, 17:38
Автор: chk

hon-ey vs. hone
mon-ey
none
son
ton, wanton
won, wonder
some
--all the same vowel sound.

In general, just memorize the words. Our spelling is like Chinese if you want to match characters to sounds. =:^(


Название: ton - исключение из правил чтения? (с info.study.ru)
Отправлено: Info от 13 Февраль 2007, 17:38
Автор: Humble

Приблизительно 5% слов произносятся не по правилам,- это на мой взгляд. Есть просто вопиющие случаи, взять хотя бы colonel - первое, что пришло в голову.
Да, а такое простое слово, как eye? Многие попадаются на внешне простенькое recipe.


Название: thx to all
Отправлено: Info от 13 Февраль 2007, 17:38
Автор: TeaM

насчет английского чтения и произношения в одном учебнике написано "недаром говорится, что по-английски пишут "Манчестер", а выговаривают "Ливерпул". немного, наверное , "загнули" :) а может и нет !
да уж, recipe интересное слово, мне его почему-то захотелось сразу прочитать с ... АЙП :)


Название: recipe
Отправлено: Info от 13 Февраль 2007, 17:39
Автор: nas2000

It's a bit simple but it demonstrates good taste. It was a rather unsuccessful try to translate the Russian saying: простенькое, но со вкусом.

Recipe is a genuine Latin word, it means 'Receive!' (the imperative form). I guess Romans pronounced it that way.


Название: какие там правила чтения! смотрите транскрипцию каждый раз
Отправлено: Info от 13 Февраль 2007, 17:40
Автор: anna_

The Chaos
by G. Nolst Trenite' a.k.a. "Charivarius" 1870 - 1946
Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse
I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye your dress you'll tear,
So shall I! Oh, hear my prayer,
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, beard and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade,
Say said, pay-paid, laid, but plaid.
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
But be careful how you speak,
Say break, steak, but bleak and streak.
Previous, precious, fuchsia, via,
Pipe, snipe, recipe and choir,
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles.
Exiles, similes, reviles.
Wholly, holly, signal, signing.
Thames, examining, combining
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war, and far.
From "desire": desirable--admirable from "admire."
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier.
Chatham, brougham, renown, but known.
Knowledge, done, but gone and tone,
One, anemone. Balmoral.
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel,
Gertrude, German, wind, and mind.
Scene, Melpomene, mankind,
Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, reading, heathen, heather.
This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.
Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet;
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which is said to rime with "darky."
Viscous, Viscount, load, and broad.
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's O.K.,
When you say correctly: croquet.
Rounded, wounded, grieve, and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive, and live,
Liberty, library, heave, and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven,
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover,
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police, and lice.
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label,
Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal.
Suit, suite, ruin, circuit, conduit,
Rime with "shirk it" and "beyond it."
But it is not hard to tell,
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.
Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, and chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,
Ivy, privy, famous, clamour
And enamour rime with hammer.
Pussy, hussy, and possess,
Desert, but dessert, address.
Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants.
Hoist, in lieu of flags, left pennants.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rime with anger.
Neither does devour with clangour.
Soul, but foul and gaunt but aunt.
Font, front, won't, want, grand, and grant.
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say: finger.
And then: singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age.
Query does not rime with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post; and doth, cloth, loth;
Job, Job; blossom, bosom, oath.
Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual.
Seat, sweat; chaste, caste.; Leigh, eight, height;
Put, nut; granite, and unite.
Reefer does not rime with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint, Senate, but sedate.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific,
Tour, but our and succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria,
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay.
Say aver, but ever, fever.
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.
Never guess--it is not safe:
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralph.
Heron, granary, canary,
Crevice and device, and eyrie,
Face but preface, but efface,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust, and scour, but scourging,
Ear but earn, and wear and bear
Do not rime with here, but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, clerk, and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation--think of psyche--!
Is a paling, stout and spikey,
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing "groats" and saying "grits"?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel,
Strewn with stones, like rowlock, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict, and indict!
Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?
Finally: which rimes with "enough"
Though, through, plough, cough, hough, or tough?
Hiccough has the sound of "cup."
My advice is--give it up!


Название: That's what I do.
Отправлено: Info от 13 Февраль 2007, 17:40
Автор: Humble

Thanks for the rhyme, Anna.