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« : 16 Январь 2012, 15:40 » Процитировать

Good day my fellow-sufferers(happiness) of learning of English. In this theme I have propose you to make recommendation of using idioms. I have a few it, but what are you may to propose from your favorite sets?

I beg to provide your variants of most used idioms.
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« Ответ #1 : 16 Январь 2012, 16:22 » Процитировать

mirock
Don't you think first we have to define the notion of the word "idiom"
What do you mean when using this word.
For examplre, in a dictionary I found the following definitions
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1) a group of words whose meaning cannot be predicted from the meanings of the constituent words, as for example (It was raining) cats and dogs
2) linguistic usage that is grammatical and natural to native speakers of a language
3) the characteristic vocabulary or usage of a specific human group or subject

As you can see people would keep in mind different definitions for the same phenomenon.

I think about idioms as about something that are comonly used by native speakers and could be defined as "standard phrases". Those phrases sometimes could be translated into Russian word-for-word, but in most cases they have their unique meanings and should be remembered as when you change a word in them they couldn't be understood, or it would make some difficulties in understanding.
I usually say that I don't use any idioms, but it isn't actually true. I just don't think about their usage and I use them even in this writing, but I could change some words in them and they cease to be clean idioms and become Runglish ab (by the way - I do the same with any idioms in any language including Russian ab)

PS: phrasal verbs may be considered idioms
Eg. wake up, get up, go on, go up, etc.
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« Ответ #2 : 16 Январь 2012, 17:23 » Процитировать

If they are most used, you will often hear and see them and learn them without our help. I've never tried to deliberately memorize any idioms, as I see no sense in that. I can't even tell if I ever use any.
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« Ответ #3 : 16 Январь 2012, 20:51 » Процитировать

tourist - you understand absolutely right. I mean the idiom as: this is phrase, that couldn't be to translated literally.

For example: By the way. Literally it is translated as "путём" (if I am right) but in fact is "кстати".
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« Ответ #4 : 16 Январь 2012, 21:01 » Процитировать

If they are most used, you will often hear and see them and learn them without our help. I've never tried to deliberately memorize any idioms, as I see no sense in that. I can't even tell if I ever use any.

Ok. Yuri. I already used to your skepticism.  br

I can't to swot idioms too (simply I can't make myself) but that no cause to not speak about it.
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« Ответ #5 : 17 Январь 2012, 04:29 » Процитировать

Ah, yes, I use this one ("by the way"). Just never thought of it as an idiom. Maybe there are some other that simply won't come to my mind at the moment.

By the way, you forgot about "be" two times again. bt Remember that I keep my eye on you. (Wow, one more idiom?)
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« Ответ #6 : 17 Январь 2012, 10:55 » Процитировать

(Wow, one more idiom?)

And one more again! "one more" is idiom too. Or not?

"Be" - it is my cross... and I will to make away it.
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« Ответ #7 : 17 Январь 2012, 11:57 » Процитировать

And one more again! "one more" is idiom too. Or not?
No, it's understood literally.
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« Ответ #8 : 17 Январь 2012, 12:06 » Процитировать

to mirock
... I will to make away it. - не понял, что вы с ним будете делать
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« Ответ #9 : 17 Январь 2012, 12:13 » Процитировать

He was going to improve it by getting rid of his bad habit of not using "BE" in proper places ab

Another idiom: get rid of


I will to make away it - I will get it right

Can we use the an other idiom here: I will straighten up and fly right - or it has a different meaning?
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« Ответ #10 : 17 Январь 2012, 13:14 » Процитировать

I will to make away it - I will get it right
А я знаю только to get away with ... Но сюда эта образность вряд ли подошла. С to be же не "расправиться" надо, а "подружиться" - to make friends
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« Ответ #11 : 17 Январь 2012, 14:05 » Процитировать

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"Be" - it is my cross... and I will to make away it.

Gibsonmpgu
Do you think if it's possible to say :

Missing or misusing "To Be" is my cross... and I will get away with it (or "get rid of it" is better???).
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« Ответ #12 : 17 Январь 2012, 14:17 » Процитировать

I've just found out that "get away with"'s meaning is closer to succed than to "be done with".
I looked up it in a dictionary and I could see that it is used when somebody did something wrong but avoided any punishment and then it could be said "He gets away with what he have done again" meaning that he avoided any punishment for his bad deeds.
Probably it couldn't match to misusing "to be".
Probably it is better to say "I will learn how to use it soon"
"I will make up for it" ???
"I wil catch up with it"???
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« Ответ #13 : 17 Январь 2012, 14:56 » Процитировать

I will to make away it - I will get it right
А я знаю только to get away with ... Но сюда эта образность вряд ли подошла. С to be же не "расправиться" надо, а "подружиться" - to make friends

Yes, I must to make right habit with "to be" and make away to bad habit "no be".
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« Ответ #14 : 17 Январь 2012, 15:12 » Процитировать

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"Be" - it is my cross... and I will to make away it.

Gibsonmpgu
Do you think if it's possible to say :

Missing or misusing "To Be" is my cross... and I will get away with it (or "get rid of it" is better???).

As me, it's already a perfectionism...
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« Ответ #15 : 17 Январь 2012, 15:21 » Процитировать


Probably it is better to say "I will learn how to use it soon"


No, it is no better, it is another.
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« Ответ #16 : 17 Январь 2012, 15:30 » Процитировать

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Missing or misusing "To Be" is my cross... and I will get away with it (or "get rid of it" is better???).

You shouldn't get rid of "to be" because I don't think it's your "cross". It's just your weak point. And it can be helped. Believe me.

But do you really think that perfectionism is a bad thing?
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« Ответ #17 : 17 Январь 2012, 15:40 » Процитировать

make away to  with the bad habit "no be".
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« Ответ #18 : 17 Январь 2012, 15:40 » Процитировать

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But do you really think that perfectionism is a bad thing?

It's Great thing. It's true. But as said one very wise man to me: "remeber about Maslou".
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« Ответ #19 : 17 Январь 2012, 15:42 » Процитировать

make away to  with the bad habit "no be".

Ok. I will try to rememder this.
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